For discussion to pass the winter off-season

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For discussion to pass the winter off-season

Postby mdlfCRXs » Thu Dec 29, 2011 8:47 am

Here are Four new cars I have read about recently. I haven't seen any of them yet in person (in Montana that is no surprise; or did I miss the 2012 Montana Auto Show?). But for discussion, which of these would be best to autocross? I won't be buying anything, but one can dream the possibilities.

MINI Cooper S coupe. It must be fast because it has one of those Porsche flip up wings on the back.

Subaru BRZ/Toyota FT-86/Scion FR-S. Pick your flavor. Looks cool, low, fast, well balanced, front engine, rear drive. (some parts by Toyota). It is reported that production will NOT include AWD and no turbo, what the.....?

2012 Ford Focus ST- may be more fast looks than real performance, but it is getting a lot of press talk.

2013 Mazda RX9- Again some parts by Toyota. Is reported to get back to the rx7 performance roots over the rx8.

There continues to be rumblings about a Honda/Acura "NSX-like" car coming out (the talk has been around since 2007, so I am not holding my breath). Probably made from a lot of unobtanium = $XXX,XXX. But with the end of the S2000 production they need something cool to keep performance enthusiasts interested. Probably not the best for autocross anyway, so I may as well cross it off the list.

Of course there is always the latest version of the Porsche 911 to consider. (I bet Joe would give driving lessons).

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Re: For discussion to pass the winter off-season

Postby rkaiser » Thu Dec 29, 2011 9:54 am

The BRZ looks awfully nice. Maybe see a AWD/turbo in the future or even a STI version would rock.
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Re: For discussion to pass the winter off-season

Postby JoeE » Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:47 am

I am interested to see a BRZ/FR-S, because I think they are smaller than I have pictured in my head. If they are actually as light as they are proclaiming, they may be a fun little car. I do wonder how the BRZ will be accepted by the traditional Subaru crowd, with no AWD. Its a very different car than any other Subaru, but I don't think that will be a bad thing.

I am also interested in the Focus ST, mostly just because I like fast hatchbacks. The Mini Coupe, not so much.

What about the Fiat 500 Abarth? I wonder if it meets the SCCA's center of gravity spec for Solo?

Also, don't forget the Golf R. 2.0 turbo, AWD. I do not have a deposit on one.
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Postby rkaiser » Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:55 am

I do not have a deposit on one


Oh no! Lets not start this again:) That low center of gravity and weight might not work well with AWD on the BRZ. Would be interrelating car to check out and maybe, just maybe test drive :twisted: Lol, looks like it's in GT5 - maybe it's time to play more!
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Re: For discussion to pass the winter off-season

Postby Alex » Thu Dec 29, 2011 1:07 pm

Of the cars mentioned, the FT-86 / BRZ is the only one that really interests me, but then I'm not a fan of FWD. That said, the FT-86 / BRZ looks / sounds like a pretty cool car. It may not come with AWD or a turbo... but I bet that the aftermarket will take care of the turbo "issue" quickly enough. How long do you think before someone swaps an STI motor into one? The weight is supposed to be 2600ish too, which while not Miata or Elise level isn't too bad for a modern car. I have done a lot of work to my car with the goal of getting it DOWN to 2600.

mdlfCRXs wrote:There continues to be rumblings about a Honda/Acura "NSX-like" car coming out (the talk has been around since 2007, so I am not holding my breath). Probably made from a lot of unobtanium = $XXX,XXX. But with the end of the S2000 production they need something cool to keep performance enthusiasts interested. Probably not the best for autocross anyway, so I may as well cross it off the list.


On a similar note, there have been "rumors" of a new Supra and or MR2 ever since the day Toyota killed those off. Seems there is a new such rumor every year in fact. Of course nothing ever comes of it. When it comes to rumors of new cars, I will believe it when I see one on a showroom floor.
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Re: For discussion to pass the winter off-season

Postby DaveMk1 » Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:31 pm

I like the idea behind the new ToyotaBaroo and hope that they don't add the weight and understeer that come with AWD. I think it being light and RWD will make it a very good car for solo.

The car I'm excited about is the new Miata - 2000 pounds and a blown 1.3L engine - I bet it will be a really fun and quick solo car.

I wonder what class each of these will start out in?

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Re: For discussion to pass the winter off-season

Postby themobtheory » Thu Dec 29, 2011 8:13 pm

The BRZ is the only one that interests me of those. The new miata should be a fun drive. I think for me the key is not necessarily which is the fastest, but which is the most fun to drive. The BRZ's CoG will be extremely low and it should handle very well with it's wide stance. Minis are great cars, but FWD I think limits the fun factor a bit imo. I'd still love to drive an e30 M3. Small, wide, nimble, and light weight... Bingo.

definitely a big fan of light weight cars. still wish I could get my hands on a suzuki cappuccino. 1540lbs curb weight? yes please. Only problem I foresee is needing the convertible so I can fit in one. I chose the picture with the girl simply to give you something of size to compare it to. Supposedly, the model is 5'2" 95 lbs. Not sure whether thats accurate or not since it came from another forum, but you get the point.

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Re: For discussion to pass the winter off-season

Postby mdlfCRXs » Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:32 am

So, the hood ornament does NOT come with the Cappucino, correct? She is nice and all but an extra 95# right on the front of the car could cause a balance and understeer issue. Sometimes it is all about the racing.

And C'mon Mazda give me a break. The new Mazda will weigh the same as my car but will have a more powerful (torquey) engine (I am sure) and better balance and handling. I already can't keep up with the current batch of Miatas. That is a lot of weight to cut from a modern car. Will it be the same size car or smaller I wonder? I have to check that out. I guess if you want to play you have to pay. When is this car due out?
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Re: For discussion to pass the winter off-season

Postby findurpath » Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:27 am

TJ, there's a car in that pic? 8)

The BRZ seems pretty cool. All the reviews I've read online seem to rave about the handling of it. Also as far as classing goes, there's a good discussion on the SCCA Forums and it seems the consensus is either CS or DS.
http://www.sccaforums.com/forums/forumid/19/postid/417716/scope/posts

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Re: For discussion to pass the winter off-season

Postby themobtheory » Mon Jan 02, 2012 12:35 am

mdlfCRXs wrote:So, the hood ornament does NOT come with the Cappucino, correct? She is nice and all but an extra 95# right on the front of the car could cause a balance and understeer issue. Sometimes it is all about the racing.



I quite literally just LOL-ed, if you will. I believe it's a removable hood ornament. I think I remember something about a dealer incentive program?

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Re: For discussion to pass the winter off-season

Postby sheldonross » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:59 pm

The ST is being built by the Euro SVT group, so hopefully it will have some decent chops.

C&D has some good things to say about it.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/201 ... de-feature

I'm curious about it simply because it's very similiar to my car. The Mazda3 and Focus share alot of components.

The ST 2.0 EcoBoost is rated 247hp 266ftlb.
The MS3 2.3 MZR is 263hp 280ftlb.

My car has a mechanical LSD, the ST uses the brakes (basically advanced ESC) to simulate an LSD. The Focus has Recaros and it gets signficantly better mileage (18/25 vs 21/31) - because everyone on here cars about mileage right?

Will be interested to read the comparisons.

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Re: For discussion to pass the winter off-season

Postby mdlfCRXs » Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:05 pm

Sweet! A new Acura NSX may be coming in 2015. That gives me time to start saving my money. Current specs include 400 hp from a v-6 and front wheel electric motors for AWD, Mid-engine, light weight, cool looks.


http://www.motortrend.com/auto_shows/de ... x_concept/
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Re: For discussion to pass the winter off-season

Postby DaveMk1 » Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:47 pm

mdlfCRXs wrote:Sweet! A new Acura NSX may be coming in 2015. That gives me time to start saving my money. Current specs include 400 hp from a v-6 and front wheel electric motors for AWD, Mid-engine, light weight, cool looks.


http://www.motortrend.com/auto_shows/de ... x_concept/


Cool - it looks a bit like the Lotus show cars from the last year - I like it.

Did they publish a weight?

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Re: For discussion to pass the winter off-season

Postby mdlfCRXs » Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:40 am

I think this car would be crazy fun!
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