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Helena Event

Postby Mel Kuipers » Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:53 pm

Just home about 9 pm, and as per usual a wonderfull weekend of racing...thanks for all the hands and teamwork...and a true autocross course that looked just so simple and fast...and taught me humility...and while it might be a bit early, I think Nick has earned the right to be the first nominee for this years Golden Pork Chop....the East German Bloc gave him an 8.9 for the accuracy his ride drop kicked the big cone holding down the timing reflector...his computer talent undoubtedly kept the miscue from any serious damage...I gotta learn that skill, because there are only two kinds of autocrossers--those who have hit the timing lights, and those that will hit the timing lights...
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Re: Helena Event

Postby Alex » Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:16 pm

Results are up.
http://swmtscca.org/index.php?option=co ... &Itemid=64

Its really too bad about the timing light thing... that was all set to be his fastest run, too bad it had a cone penalty attached:)

All in all, a great two days of racing, thanks everyone!
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Re: Helena Event

Postby findurpath » Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:22 pm

Thanks for posting the results up so quick! This was by far the biggest learning experience for me so far this season. I had a blast!
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Re: Helena Event

Postby BluToyBoy » Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:35 pm

Thanx guys, had a great time today.........Need to second Mel on the "humility" lesson learned..:)

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Re: Helena Event

Postby nickjones07GT » Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:04 pm

What a fun weekend. I really felt good about my driving going into that last corner...but once again overconfidence leads to failure. I am just really glad the timing still worked after that. Two or three tenths of a second is not worth ending an event earlier than scheduled. With that in mind perhaps we can get a backup set of lights. Mel...I too learned humility. Thanks everyone for a great weekend and I can't wait for the next one.
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Re: Helena Event

Postby Alex » Sun Jul 31, 2011 10:07 pm

nickjones07GT wrote:What a fun weekend. I really felt good about my driving going into that last corner...but once again overconfidence leads to failure. I am just really glad the timing still worked after that. Two or three tenths of a second is not worth ending an event earlier than scheduled. With that in mind perhaps we can get a backup set of lights. Mel...I too learned humility. Thanks everyone for a great weekend and I can't wait for the next one.


It would be nice to have a backup set of sensors, but unfortunately they are amazingly expensive (a little over 200 each according to their website). Really, the entire axware system is amazingly expensive considering how many problems we have with it (the software in particular).
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Re: Helena Event

Postby mdlfCRXs » Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:21 pm

A spare set of lights would only decrease the incentive to not hit the lights in the first place. Glad everything came out well. Thanks to Kent and Joe for putting on a fun and challenging event. A good job on the weather forecasting too. I only heard good comments from racers and everyone was in a good spirits throughout the event, a good sign. Only a few short days until we do it all again.

Keep a look out here Don Cisney took photos and thinks he got shots of everyone. He will post a link here later in the week.
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Re: Helena Event

Postby DaveMk1 » Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:06 am

What a fun weekend - thanks to all that came and helped make the event happen and of course a huge thanks to Kent and Joe for stepping up and making the event actually happen. There is a very large amount of work that goes on behind the scenes before the event and these guys are the ones that did it. Thank you.

I really enjoyed the course and wonder how others felt about it. It was different and challenging and very much rewarded having a delicate touch with the decreasing/increasing radius high speed turns. A few have mentioned that it was a learning experience - what specifically did you learn?

I look forward to seeing the photos and to racing with you all soon at Top Gun.


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Re: Helena Event

Postby Mel Kuipers » Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:24 am

Dave...I learned (or should I say, relearned) that when a course looks smooth and fast, over confidence follows which leads to going way too deep on sweepers and that is not the fastest way around...I especially have a hard time with right turning sweepers...this weekend gave me great practice on those features...but I think I need some pointers...
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Re: Helena Event

Postby findurpath » Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:58 am

For me, having the opportunity and ability to walk the course AFTER running it the first day was huge. I was able to revisit certain sections, analyze them and take mental notes on what I did wrong and how I could have done better.

I also learned a lot about the capabilities of my car and my driving. The car can take a lot more than I think it can but I realized how crappy my Federal tires are for autocrossing and especially for a large course like Helena. Scary feeling when you're going so fast and tires start feeling greasy. :shock:

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Postby kjohnson » Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:29 am

Thanks for the compliments. Extra thanks to Joe who did a large share of the work. Thanks also to Dave for assistance with the course design and setup, and also took care of the trophies. And thanks to Mel for hauling the extra cones and worker boxes to and from the event. Hopefully I'm not forgetting anyone who helped with the event, but I'm sorry if I am.

It was a fun weekend and could never have happened without everyone who pitched in.
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Postby mdlfCRXs » Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:34 am

After some thought I think this course was more challenging for me because of the mix of features, different corner types, different rhythms for different sections, in timing of turns and in speed adjustments. Each section gave a different look and caused an adjustment in how it was handled compared to the previous section. I think running courses like this more often would make me a much better racer. Also the change in direction from Saturday to Sunday gave a noticeable flow change. While Sunday seemed to flow better with fewer quick adjustments (for me anyway) my Saturday times were better. Like Mel said, it seemed wide open but was definitely not from behind the wheel. A couple of corners/gates were especially hard to see for two reasons, the cones have been abused and are black (comments of others) and for me, lone cones some distance off with no pointers but backed by a sea of other lone cones for other sections of the track. Of course a couple of DNF's fix that. I don't know if it matters, but there were several DNF's early in the runs attributed mostly to two areas of the course.

I personally learned much more about the little details that need to be managed for an event of this size. The small size of our club is apparent when running a large event but everyone pitches in and gets the job done.

I still want to know what James Jong did to get photos of his car with a model posing by it! I know it wasn't FTD, I checked! Maybe he will share his secrets with the rest of us. Other cars lined up for the shoot but were turned away. I vote James as chief of getting new members to join the club.

And, dare I bring it up-
I heard no complaints about the lack of the sweeper! Success.
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Postby JoeE » Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:06 am

I had a GREAT time!
The course was super fun, I don't think I have run a course that I have slid my car around on that much with no spins. In timed runs anyway...
It was a ton of work, but Kent and I had a lot of help.
Thanks to the Big Sky region for the use of the trailer, cones, times board,etc.
Thanks to Mel for hauling cones, boxes, etc to and from Helena.
Thanks Dave K for helping with course design and setup and getting the awards glasses.
I have to acknowledge those that were at the site friday evening willing to help. I think if Kent, Dave and I knew better what we were doing we would have been able to include all those folks better in the set-up.
Thanks to Dean and Alex for teching.
Thanks to Alex and Nick for setting up the timing and timing computer and running timing both days.
Thanks to James for his chief of worker duties, I know that is a big job and it was handled really well.
Thanks to everyone for coming to the event, driving well, working your stations, and making it a great weekend.
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Postby Alex » Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:15 am

mdlfCRXs wrote:I still want to know what James Jong did to get photos of his car with a model posing by it! I know it wasn't FTD, I checked! Maybe he will share his secrets with the rest of us. Other cars lined up for the shoot but were turned away. I vote James as chief of getting new members to join the club.


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Postby JoeE » Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:22 am

I think we need to see these pics...
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Re: Helena Event

Postby Mel Kuipers » Mon Aug 01, 2011 12:36 pm

Equiptment report:...all the boxes, flags, radios, cones, brooms etc are clean and dry...the radios all turn on, so no rain damage there...we are only 4 cones shy from what I hauled up...would have counted there, but not in a rain storm...the only thing missing from what I brought up was a tall, white box with 120 volt power strip and a couple of other white wires....also did not see the long brown box with charging units for the radios...Judi and I are headed to Bozo this pm so will reload the van so it will be ready for next weekend...am curious---what does carbon fibre have to do with dating?...no knowing is making me feel old
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Postby kjohnson » Mon Aug 01, 2011 1:56 pm

Mel Kuipers wrote:Equiptment report:...all the boxes, flags, radios, cones, brooms etc are clean and dry...the radios all turn on, so no rain damage there...we are only 4 cones shy from what I hauled up...would have counted there, but not in a rain storm...the only thing missing from what I brought up was a tall, white box with 120 volt power strip and a couple of other white wires....also did not see the long brown box with charging units for the radios...Judi and I are headed to Bozo this pm so will reload the van so it will be ready for next weekend...am curious---what does carbon fibre have to do with dating?...no knowing is making me feel old

A couple cardboard boxes were obliterated in the rain, but I have the things I think were in them. Power strip, radio chargers, etc. Nobody wanted to count cones in the rain. Joe and I certainly didn't. We're pretty okay with leaving 4 cones at the site, better to leave the trailer in Helena with extra cones than not enough.
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Re: Helena Event

Postby PKS2K » Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:07 pm

What a GREAT event in Helena!! The course was well designed with a diversity of gates & few
fast sections. Then made Humble by a couple tight sections which I lacked technique that made it
very HARD on my pride, tires (front) and time...

It was another AWESOME weekend in Helena. Thank you SWMT Club for a successful event!!!
Next event is Top Gun... excited to see what Blue & Thill can pull out of their new and improved trophy.

THANK YOU AGAIN!!

P.S. As always I was the last person to get ALL my "ducks in a row" in order to leave the event
site when it begin to rain again... Next came the BIG winds which initially tipped over the first
porta potty closest to the track and less than 30 seconds the second one tipped over!

Two questions came to mind: If it is a (2) two second penalty for the first one blown over and
is it another (2) two seconds for the second porta potty or for each.....

And, was the furthest porta potty the most popular visited allowing it to withstand the Gust of wind
the longest... or did the first one have a weaker suspension problem?? :twisted:
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Re: Helena Event

Postby Mel Kuipers » Tue Aug 02, 2011 6:40 am

Porta Potty Penalties (PPP) only come into play if you are in them when they go over...penalty is no one wants to be around you til you shower...
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Postby rkaiser » Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:45 am

I think being in a porta potty when it tips over is penalty enough! I think we can ignore the 2 second penalty in the case :)
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Postby findurpath » Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:13 am

Can you imagine if someone decided to run into the porta potty for cover from the downpour? :shock:
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Postby mdlfCRXs » Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:44 am

Well I see this thread has taken an ugly turn. Leave it to an MD to stir up a topic like this. Certain topics come up and suddenly everyone has something to offer.
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Postby sheldonross » Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:00 am

findurpath wrote:Can you imagine if someone decided to run into the porta potty for cover from the downpour? :shock:


Just a guess, but I'm betting my 200lbs set low in the chassis would be enough ballast to prevent the tip over.

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Postby MyT13B » Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:26 pm

Thanks everyone for participating to help keep things as awesome as could be.

For me this was a perfect exercise in planning an assault on a road course. Dave kudos to you for creating a road course with extremely safe run offs. I had to walk the course twice on Saturday night before I went to bed. In my car the far sweeper with a chicane was impossible to use the brakes! Learning the arc that my car makes in a full on drift was a real mind boggling experience.

Drive to the book tip of setting your speed with the brakes was totally out the window on Sunday. I was over a second faster on the one time I got it right.

All runs except #5 were done driving by the book. On run #5 My tires howled with a deafening screech 0n all of the decreasing turns!


Can't wait for "TOP GUN"!

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Postby DaveMk1 » Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:44 pm

MyT13B wrote:Thanks everyone for participating to help keep things as awesome as could be.

For me this was a perfect exercise in planning an assault on a road course. Dave kudos to you for creating a road course with extremely safe run offs. I had to walk the course twice on Saturday night before I went to bed. In my car the far sweeper with a chicane was impossible to use the brakes! Learning the arc that my car makes in a full on drift was a real mind boggling experience.

Drive to the book tip of setting your speed with the brakes was totally out the window on Sunday. I was over a second faster on the one time I got it right.

All runs except #5 were done driving by the book. On run #5 My tires howled with a deafening screech 0n all of the decreasing turns!


Can't wait for "TOP GUN"!

Dean



Hey Dean,

Thanks for the comments, for helping with tech and of course for driving so far to come - it was all very much appreciated.

To correct one thing - I was not the primary course designer. That was our RE and event chair Kent. I helped as needed and of course helped drop the cones on Friday afternoon.

So........... as an aside............if I were to come out to Billings this summer for an event what one would you suggest. I did the one at the drag-strip last year and that was fun and now would like to try a different lot. Could you suggest one to us Bozemanites?

Thanks again,

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Postby gowgngo » Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:41 pm

wanted to my kudoos to a very nice course!- it flowed very well and was pretty fast, a good combo in my book :)

waiting for bluetoy to post pics :mrgreen:
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Postby DaveMk1 » Thu Aug 04, 2011 10:10 pm

Just in case you haven't seen this yet - some very nice photos and a chance to buy prints too.

http://mistybolesphotography.zenfolio.com/f307090613

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Re: Helena Event

Postby BluToyBoy » Fri Aug 05, 2011 6:20 am

And, much lower quality - but free to copy from. Enjoy, too many to sort out so most all are here, thanx for a fun time guys :!:

http://s490.photobucket.com/albums/rr26 ... ly%202011/

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Postby kjohnson » Fri Aug 05, 2011 7:01 am

BluToyBoy wrote:And, much lower quality - but free to copy from. Enjoy, too many to sort out so most all are here, thanx for a fun time guys :!:

http://s490.photobucket.com/albums/rr26 ... ly%202011/

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Postby gowgngo » Fri Aug 05, 2011 7:08 am

thanks! :mrgreen:
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Postby MyT13B » Sun Aug 07, 2011 8:27 am

DaveMk1 wrote:

Hey Dean,

Thanks for the comments, for helping with tech and of course for driving so far to come - it was all very much appreciated.

To correct one thing - I was not the primary course designer. That was our RE and event chair Kent. I helped as needed and of course helped drop the cones on Friday afternoon.

So........... as an aside............if I were to come out to Billings this summer for an event what one would you suggest. I did the one at the drag-strip last year and that was fun and now would like to try a different lot. Could you suggest one to us Bozemanites?

Thanks again,

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