NORPAC DIVISIONAL - Montana Challenge R1

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NORPAC DIVISIONAL - Montana Challenge R1

Postby rdks » Wed May 04, 2011 6:54 pm

For those that are looking to be in the Montana Challenge running. Even though only Sunday's event counts, you must race both days or at least have your car Tech'ed on Friday. No registrations will be accepted on Sunday due to the early start and it being a Divisional level event.

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Re: NORPAC DIVISIONAL - Montana Challenge R1

Postby Mel Kuipers » Wed May 04, 2011 8:45 pm

this is the first I have seen that the Challenge will run this year..yeah for that...I assume Mt Challenge will be the same as last year--using the results of the three sundays in Helena, ending with the Top Gun in August...is that correct?...and thanks for the heads up on the Divisional weekend, I bet someone comes for sunday only and has to drive home without running...as for the Divisional weekend--how many runs per day can we expect?...most of our Helena events give us 8+ runs...are Divisionals the same, or more like the rule book says = 3 runs guaranteed?
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Re: NORPAC DIVISIONAL - Montana Challenge R1

Postby rdks » Fri May 06, 2011 3:25 pm

as to runs.. that is an interesting question. one year it was 3 per day.. and another it was 4 or 5 per day.

I believe that will be decided that weekend. If anything, expect a bigger turn out and better competition then what you normally get at our events.

btw, the 75.00 fee includes one ticket for the saturday night dinner party at the Red Lion.

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Re: NORPAC DIVISIONAL - Montana Challenge R1

Postby rdks » Fri May 06, 2011 6:11 pm

well. for fun.. We have a company rate at the Red Lion of Helena... it is 89.99 a night.

For some reason at the national and even at the local hotel.. they are having issue finding the rate saying it no longer exists. I have confirmed it with the sales rep at the Helena Red Lion...

So if any of you are having the same issue... let me know.

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Re: NORPAC DIVISIONAL - Montana Challenge R1

Postby DaveMk1 » Fri May 06, 2011 6:35 pm

rdks wrote:well. for fun.. We have a company rate at the Red Lion of Helena... it is 89.99 a night.

For some reason at the national and even at the local hotel.. they are having issue finding the rate saying it no longer exists. I have confirmed it with the sales rep at the Helena Red Lion...

So if any of you are having the same issue... let me know.


What do we tell them to get the rate?

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Re: NORPAC DIVISIONAL - Montana Challenge R1

Postby rdks » Sun May 08, 2011 12:13 am

seems that Dawn did not update there computer.. not sure what to say on that.. should know more monday as she is to call..

what a pain in the ars this year. Our normal guy we dealt with has moved to another department. She is rather new it seems.

Tell them that we have a company rate of 89.99 and that Dawn knows about it.. you have to speak to the people in Helena.. not the national office which they like to send you off to.

I basically had the national guy speak with the helena hotel.. which then they got me intouch with someone at the hotel to do the reservation.. only for 115.. though that better change on monday.

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Re: NORPAC DIVISIONAL - Montana Challenge R1

Postby kjohnson » Tue May 10, 2011 11:20 am

You guys normally do an online pre-registration. Are you saying even if I register in advance I won't be able to get my car teched on Sunday morning? I have to be there for tech on Friday?
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Re: NORPAC DIVISIONAL - Montana Challenge R1

Postby kjohnson » Tue May 10, 2011 11:51 am

Maybe there is no 1 day only rate since its a divisional anyways? is that the case?
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Re: NORPAC DIVISIONAL - Montana Challenge R1

Postby WD40 » Tue May 10, 2011 1:04 pm

Rob;
Are you going to post specific Divisional rules versus "normal" event rules?
I see a bit of confusion on Sunday (and even Saturday) with those competitors that have never been to a Divisional event.
I.E. needing rule books (or print of the rule book), no riders, weighing cars in certain classes, etc etc. (I'm sure I'm missing some things as well)

Just curious, as this is going to be interesting trying to combine a rather strict "by the rules" Divisional event with the MT Challenge series event that sees a lot more families and ride alongs without the additional rules.
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Re: NORPAC DIVISIONAL - Montana Challenge R1

Postby Mel Kuipers » Tue May 10, 2011 7:32 pm

I just receive my 2011 rule book so will explore divisional event rules...but from this post it looks like I have to be there friday nite for tech...if I miss that, I can't run either days...if I tech friday nite then I can run both days...if I do run that sunday will count toward the Mt Challenge...If I don't tech friday nite, I don't Mt Challenge run on sunday, and can't run on saturday....is that all correct? If that is correct, is there any place on the calendar to have a sunday to run Helena just for the Challenge, other than the divisional race? I bet there are a lot of folks who will be excluded from the Challenge just because of the time demands of the divisional setup....imho that would be a disservice to our state participants...
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Re: NORPAC DIVISIONAL - Montana Challenge R1

Postby rdks » Sat May 14, 2011 9:07 pm

okay so i am behind the ball right now.. so lets see if I can get things caught up

Registration is for both days.. no single day event cost.

There will be tech early on Saturday morning but no teching on Sunday at all.

And your right Doug about things with riders and such. At Divisional level events, riders are not allowed.

As for rule books, it is best if you have one should someone decide to protest but they are no longer required at Divisional and National events.

As for the Hotel pricing.. that has been figured out. Note that when you call in, you need to tell them that it is a company rate and not a group rate. And if they cannot find it at the national level which is usually where they send you for the registration, tell them to send you back to the hotel. The rate is 89.95 per night

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Re: NORPAC DIVISIONAL - Montana Challenge R1

Postby rdks » Sat May 14, 2011 9:10 pm

Fun Fun Fun.. having to remember the code I wrote so long ago and update it to the new PHP standards...

Finally got the Entry List page working.

Remember that for a registration to be complete and shown in the list, Payment must be received and confirmed.

You can now see the number registered on the main page with a link to see who those people are.

Enjoy

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Re: NORPAC DIVISIONAL - Montana Challenge R1

Postby rdks » Sat May 14, 2011 9:32 pm

i found this from our '09 divisional. It has the rules more defined and basically they are the same for all higher level events.

http://www.bigskyregion.org/Registratio ... ps2009.pdf

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Postby mdlfCRXs » Sun May 15, 2011 9:09 am

I am also assuming that we will be able to camp overnight at the Helena site?
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Re: NORPAC DIVISIONAL - Montana Challenge R1

Postby rdks » Sun May 15, 2011 5:38 pm

mdlfCRXs wrote:I am also assuming that we will be able to camp overnight at the Helena site?


yes

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Re: NORPAC DIVISIONAL - Montana Challenge R1

Postby adgranley » Sat May 28, 2011 10:27 am

RE from bigsky 38 here. I have been getting allot of phone calls regarding the Montana Challenge race one which is also a divisional race. I understand the frustration with some, that you have to have your car there Friday or very early Saturday to be teched and that you have to pay the full $75 even if you only want to race Sunday. So, looking at everyones schedule I cant see a date to where we can host another Helena event that would be a Montana Challenge event. Between the three clubs our schedules are quite full. So would it make people happy if it were a best two out of three events for the Montana challenge points? Basically you get to drop one event out of the three. So if you cant swing the divisional race, no big deal you can still qualify for Montana Challenge award. Make sense? I dont see another way around it. Its just the way a divisional event is and certain rules have to be followed.

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Postby DaveMk1 » Sat May 28, 2011 9:57 pm

adgranley wrote:RE from bigsky 38 here. I have been getting allot of phone calls regarding the Montana Challenge race one which is also a divisional race. I understand the frustration with some, that you have to have your car there Friday or very early Saturday to be teched and that you have to pay the full $75 even if you only want to race Sunday. So, looking at everyones schedule I cant see a date to where we can host another Helena event that would be a Montana Challenge event. Between the three clubs our schedules are quite full. So would it make people happy if it were a best two out of three events for the Montana challenge points? Basically you get to drop one event out of the three. So if you cant swing the divisional race, no big deal you can still qualify for Montana Challenge award. Make sense? I dont see another way around it. Its just the way a divisional event is and certain rules have to be followed.


I frankly would be disappointed to see it made best two of three events. As it stands it's a series of 3 events which is even a bit slim for a points series but making it two events makes the whole thing mean even less. Two events feels much less like a series of events that would show the best driver in the long run, over the course of a season and on different types of courses............which is what I think the series originally aimed to do.

I don't have a better idea for folks that don't want to, or can't, do both days of the Divisional and I can understand that it means money and time. On the other hand it means that the other two events can count on substantially fewer drivers showing up. A driver can do two events and sit out the third and still be the winner. I think in fairness to all involved (both as clubs and individual drivers) that the rules/guidelines should stay as they were agreed upon going into this season and if changes need to be made for next year then that would be something the 3 RE's could go over and work out a new plan for 2012.

My two cents.

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Re: NORPAC DIVISIONAL - Montana Challenge R1

Postby Mel Kuipers » Sun May 29, 2011 8:50 am

I don't like changing the challenge to a 2 event series either...the three events series last year was fun the whole summer...yes the divisional race is a wrikle in running this year, but that stuff happens...to change the rules for that, will mean it is an event on the fly in future years...besides, to add a race (which could easily eliminate some or us who have our schedule in place) or go to 2, is a big change...it accomodates some, and will eliminate others...I say run with the schedule as is, and for those who can't make it this year...there is always next year...
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Re: NORPAC DIVISIONAL - Montana Challenge R1

Postby rkaiser » Sun May 29, 2011 10:17 am

Um, maybe just make the Divsional and Montana Challenge seperate events? Just a thought for the future. I love having the Divisional here but making people run it for the Montana Challenge isn't quite right. I 'd be willing to let you use our Sept Helena event for the Challenge.
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Re: NORPAC DIVISIONAL - Montana Challenge R1

Postby JoeE » Sun May 29, 2011 10:43 am

Adam, thanks for listening to the people and offering solutions.

As much as I would like the MT challenge to be 2 out of 3, personally, because I may or may not miss one of the events, I think it would not be fair to change it at this point. The schedules have been published for quite a while, and although there were some folks that didn't realize that the Divisional is a two day only event, they did know that it was part of the MT challenge.
IMO, leave the plan as is, and we all learn from it for next season.
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Re: NORPAC DIVISIONAL - Montana Challenge R1

Postby WD40 » Tue May 31, 2011 7:17 am

rkaiser wrote:Um, maybe just make the Divsional and Montana Challenge seperate events? Just a thought for the future. I love having the Divisional here but making people run it for the Montana Challenge isn't quite right.

I couldn't agree more.
Both events are of the caliber and notoriety that they deserve their own separate event dates.
In my humble opinion, I don't think it's a good idea to combine these events given the significant differences between the two.
(Rules, course setup, SCCA membership requirement, riders vs no riders, etc etc)
Now, I'm not dissing Divisionals at all.
On the contrary, we're extremely lucky to have a facility and the people to host a National level event.

JoeE wrote:As much as I would like the MT challenge to be 2 out of 3, personally, because I may or may not miss one of the events, I think it would not be fair to change it at this point. The schedules have been published for quite a while...
IMO, leave the plan as is, and we all learn from it for next season.

That would be my suggestion as well.
The schedule is set, let's just live and learn, move on, and revisit the combination (or not combining) of the two events next year.
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Re: NORPAC DIVISIONAL - Montana Challenge R1

Postby adgranley » Wed Jun 01, 2011 8:28 am

rkaiser wrote:Um, maybe just make the Divsional and Montana Challenge seperate events? Just a thought for the future. I love having the Divisional here but making people run it for the Montana Challenge isn't quite right. I 'd be willing to let you use our Sept Helena event for the Challenge.


Thanks for that offer Russ, I am game for using your Sept event for say "Montana Challenge Race 3" However it may be too late to change up the schedule as I know a number of people have already registered for the Divisional knowing that it is part of the Montana Challenge. From what I can gather, I agree with many others that lets just leave it the way it is for this year and next year it will be like 2010 was. It worked so well and the turnout was great for each club. If we do a divisional next year it WILL NOT BE PART OF THE MONTANA CHALLENGE! I apologize for anyone who was looking forward to competing in the Montana Challenge but just cant swing the 2 1/2 days in Helena and the $75 entry fee. For those of you that can make it, it should be a great event. Friday night along with tech, there will be a meet and greet with food and drinks hosted by bigsky 38 and Saturday night is the banquette which is all part of your $75 fee. It really is a great deal if your able to make it. Thank you to all of you that are coming!

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Re: NORPAC DIVISIONAL - Montana Challenge R1

Postby rkaiser » Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:12 am

Thats great Adam! If it works out and you want to use the Sept date for the challenge my offer still stands.
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Postby DaveMk1 » Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:15 am

That all sounds good. Thanks for asking and listening.

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Re: NORPAC DIVISIONAL - Montana Challenge R1

Postby kjohnson » Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:04 pm

adgranley wrote:Thanks for that offer Russ, I am game for using your Sept event for say "Montana Challenge Race 3" However it may be too late to change up the schedule as I know a number of people have already registered for the Divisional knowing that it is part of the Montana Challenge. From what I can gather, I agree with many others that lets just leave it the way it is for this year and next year it will be like 2010 was. It worked so well and the turnout was great for each club. If we do a divisional next year it WILL NOT BE PART OF THE MONTANA CHALLENGE! I apologize for anyone who was looking forward to competing in the Montana Challenge but just cant swing the 2 1/2 days in Helena and the $75 entry fee. For those of you that can make it, it should be a great event. Friday night along with tech, there will be a meet and greet with food and drinks hosted by bigsky 38 and Saturday night is the banquette which is all part of your $75 fee. It really is a great deal if your able to make it. Thank you to all of you that are coming!

That all sounds good to me. I agree that it might not make sense to change it this year on such short notice (especially for those who have already signed up for the event). But I'm really glad you decided to separate the events for next year. I would love to come to the Divisional, but cannot make it this year. Its unfortunate that puts me out of the Montana Challenge, but I'm willing to live with it.
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Re: NORPAC DIVISIONAL - Montana Challenge R1

Postby BluToyBoy » Fri Jun 03, 2011 9:54 pm

Hi all.
The numerous questions about the Divisional/Montana Challenge event are very confusing. After visiting with Angela/Glenn (Event Chairs) I hope this will be positive information that will help you to make your decision to attend – A “no-show” is not an option.

1. Divisional rules will apply, for some examples: there will be NO riders, car # 8” high, class 4” high, contrasting colors, both sides of car as per SCCA rules, etc. Car #’s from 1-99 for first driver, 2nd driver same # plus 1. (Example, 65/165) All event details can be found on our homepage under divisional information.

2. Unlike other events where "annual tech" is honored among the 3 individual clubs, Divisional will require hands-on tech for each entered vehicle with no exceptions. Tech is provided Friday 10am-2pm, and 4pm-8:00 pm, Saturday limited tech from 6:30-7:00am ONLY! Sunday VERY LIMITED tech from 6:00-6:30 am ONLY. Regular tech session is strongly encouraged. You must pre-arrange for limited tech by calling 406-544-4040. Cars should be in “race trim”, with car numbers and class showing, with the tires you will be running.

3. If you are only doing the Montana Challenge, be aware that the $75.00 entry fee includes the Saturday night banquet, even if you only run on Sunday. You are encouraged to attend the banquet and have a great meal and conversation with the other entrants. It makes the entry fee a pretty good deal either way you run.

4. Camping onsite is available, bathroom and shower facilities are available.

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Postby mtgeekman » Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:24 pm

Had a great time can't wait till the next event.

heres a video of my fastest run.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx9yhM10zxs

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Postby DaveMk1 » Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:48 am

mtgeekman wrote:Had a great time can't wait till the next event.

heres a video of my fastest run.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx9yhM10zxs


Cool video and even better run.

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Postby mtgeekman » Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:53 am

DaveMk1 wrote:Niether is as cool as your cat after it smells bleach.


Ya... That cat is a little bit odd, we have to keep the bleach out of his reach and in a closed room or he will try to get into the bottle of it.


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