Evolution driving school in Helena

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Evolution driving school in Helena

Postby RayAR » Sat Nov 01, 2003 6:01 pm

Sent to me from Ben Roberts in Helena


"If you are interested, I'm talking about getting a 3 day Evolution course to come to the Airport driver track here in Helena. 2 days of instruction and a day of test and tune. I talked to Jerry Rukavina, after a long conversation I told him my plans and he is going to see if there is enough interest in the people in Great Falls and I'll contact the Missoula club. We need a minimum of 15 (according to Dana at Evolution) but it takes 25 to start breaking even. Talk it over with some of your friends. I'm not certain that people that have been competing for any length of time would like it because they (Evolution) really go back to the basics, but day two gets into some good tips and tricks. They also look for those 'bad habits' ;-)"

Anyone interested in a driving school? This is all the info I got from him but if you need more I will find out.
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Postby rkaiser » Sun Nov 02, 2003 11:29 am

I'd be interested in a Driving school. I know my skills could use a serious tune up and upgrade :D

They also look for those 'bad habits'


Oh man, I have plenty of those!
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Postby RayAR » Sun Nov 02, 2003 1:08 pm

I am interested but I doubt I will have money to do it. It looks like I have just become a Home owner :D I should have enough "fun" money left over just for next years autocross season. I just hope I dont destroy another clutch.
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Postby JoeE » Mon Nov 03, 2003 9:46 am

How much do these classes run?
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Postby RayAR » Thu Nov 06, 2003 6:32 pm

I sent Ben an E-mail a couple days ago. Still haven't heard back from him so I don't know the cost.
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Postby fastneons » Fri Nov 07, 2003 12:12 pm

If the price is right, I would be interested also.
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Postby RayAR » Sun Nov 09, 2003 1:06 pm

Looks like the price will be around $400 for a 3 day school.
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Postby RayAR » Tue Nov 18, 2003 11:39 pm

Sent to me from Ben Roberts


Thanks for passing on the information to the swmtscca site. I registered (and it even let me change my password) but it does not recognize my login so that I can post anything. I just got a message from Evolution school with a simple breakdown of costs. $100 per student per day for the instructors plus the plane tickets, lodging, food and transportation for the instructors (2 people) plus site rental (the driving course at the airport is $300 / day) plus SCCA insurance (just the regular event insurance) Figuring 12 people attending the costs for the school are approximately 218 per person for a single day 185 per person per day for 2 days (370 total) 174 per person per day for 3 days (522 total) Then there is travel expenses for the participants for at least two nights lodging, meals and fuel costs. I figure if someone came for all three days, it would probably cost them $850 ($740 for two days). I know the cost could be much cheaper, but If participants need motel rooms and the extra cost of food, etc. it could add up quickly. I'm going to contact the Missoula and Great Falls clubs and let them know about the costs and then see if there a 12 people within a few hundred miles who are intetested enough. I'll check the site from time to time to see if anyone in Bozeman is truly interested. Thanks for everything. Ben

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Postby JoeE » Wed Nov 26, 2003 9:23 am

That is pretty pricey. For that kind of money ($850) a guy can go to a real track for a full on driver's school. I'm sure this Evolution deal is a good school, but its just a lot of money for a Solo school when there are things like the schools that the Colorado region puts on, see below. I have done one of these schools a few years ago and it was very good, I learned a lot. The Chicago region does simular schools for about the same money, and other regions may also, I haven't really looked around.
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Postby Benush » Fri Dec 12, 2003 2:44 pm

I want to thank Ray for passing on the information, but have an update.

Tammy (I think from Yellowstone Region because of the phone number) has contacted Evolution about putting on a class. I haven't spoken to Tammy, but the woman that runs Evoultion left me a message to contact Tammy to coordinate events. I have no idea about the details, but since she is willing to do the work, I'm going to stop my plans of trying to set one up in Helena this spring.

I agree with JoeE that the price is steep. The cost for the club to put on an Evolution school are $100/day/participant plus paying for the instructior's motel for the each night before a school, meals, car rental and airplane tickets. Then add in the cost for renting the site and insurance and a site for debriefing at the end of the day. If the club wants any profit, then they add that amount on and divide it by the number of participants (max of 12 per instructor)

The $850 was figuring $200 per day for three days plus gas, food and lodging and misc. expenses. A realistic guess is $200 per day plus your travel expenses. You can attend only the first day (Phase 1) if you want, but you have to have taken a Phase 1 before you can take a Phase 2, Phase 3, Test and Tune or Challenge Day. I'm guessing that Yellowstone will have something out in the near future about what Phases/events they will offer.

Since I want to try road racing, I'll skip the solo classes and find a class that will get me my Novice permit. But the 3 day class for that from Derek Daly School in Las Vegas is $3500 so I'll see if I can find something cheaper. If anyone has heard (or better yet taken) a school that gets you your Novice license, I'd appreciate any info.

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