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Postby snowcat » Tue Aug 05, 2003 9:48 am

Hi! I've never autox'd before but I'm looking to get into it and saw you guys running the course out at the ice gardens the other weekend. (I didn't stop in because it was late in the afternoon.)

I was wondering - what do I need to do to get ready for the event on the 17th? I figure I should pick up a helmet; do you know where to get a good deal on one?

I'm running a bone stock silver wrx wagon. BigSkyWRX steered me here from ClubWRX. Look forward to meeting you guys sometime.

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Postby rkaiser » Tue Aug 05, 2003 9:58 am

Hello!

Welcome to our little group of monkies! Here is a great place to get a helmet:

G-Force 750 - good helmet

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http://www.racerwholesale.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=RW&Product_Code=MAT4403&Category_Code=Racing+Helmets

A couple of us use this helmet. There are a couple cheapers ones there too. If you can't get a helmet in time I'm sure you can borrow one - just don't sweat in it :D

A few things to check are to make sure you are not leaking any oil or coolant. The brakes work well and nothing is going to fall off the car! Make sure your lug nuts are tight and you may want to check your air pressure too (might want to raise them a few PSI too.) Ric is our local WRX geek (blue WRX sedan with the grapefruit shooter exhaust) and he can probably help you out with tire pressures.

Hope to see you on the 17th - watch out for qall the smak talk around here (especially for previously mentioned Blue WRX - thats right Ricky, I'm talking about you :D )
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Postby rcurrier44 » Tue Aug 05, 2003 10:18 am

Make shure your helmate has the correct snell aproved rating (I think snell 90 is the cutoff). If you have time e-bay has killer deals on helmates, Ardi and his brother just got brand new ones for something like 40$.

Also - make shure you have all loose objects out of your vehickle and your battery is tied down tight.

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Postby snowcat » Tue Aug 05, 2003 10:39 am

Hi rkaiser; I've seen your car around town - it's the one with the serious wing action right?

Thanks for the helmet tips, I'll look into that.

Edit: Just realized - maybe it would be a good idea to borrow one or two to find a good size before ordering a certain size.

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Postby RD-SPEED » Tue Aug 05, 2003 11:51 am

Hi SnowCat,

Well, my brother is selling his 3 weeks old helmet!
(2 autocrosses)
It is a Snell 90 white helmet (Large).

He is looking for a full face helmet since he got a new Bike.
You can reach him at : Rinaldi (585-9522 / 579-1302)

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Postby RayAR » Tue Aug 05, 2003 12:35 pm

Hey snowcat,

Welcome, IMHO the biggest thing is just have fun. We are a pretty laid back group of people. As far as a helmet, most of us don't mind loaning ours just as long as we don't need to search for it when it is our time to run.

Ricky is the guy you want to talk about for setting up your WRX. He has his running very fast.

It is also a good idea to get some rides before you make your first lap. I think we all like haveing riders along to scare the shit out of :D

See ya the 17th
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Postby JoeE » Tue Aug 05, 2003 1:31 pm

Hi Michael, welcome.

Take a look at the FAQ as Mike mentioned. If it does or doesn't help out let me know.

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Postby snowcat » Tue Aug 05, 2003 3:07 pm

So where do I pick up this blinker fluid at anyways?
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Just kidding! You asked, JoeE, so here's what I could think of that could be added to the faq after reading up on driving/autox on the net:

-autox tips: basic tips such as extra tire psi, removing the spare tire (someone new might not think to do this), wear good comfortable driving shoes, etc.
-autox manners: for example, not to disturb someone when they're walking the course, etc.
-performance driving tips: such as what to do when you start to oversteer in a rwd vs. fwd vs. awd, etc.
-what to expect from the track: i.e. are there a lot of hairpins, what speeds to expect to drive at on an autox course through the straights & turns, etc.

This would be more for newbies of course as it seems everyone here knows what they're about. 8) I hadn't seen that scca check sheet before - should be easy to pass but I've printed it out and am going to practice going over the car.

btw - willing to work on the course too as long as it's something a newbie can handle feel free to sign me up. Quickest/reliable way to reach me is via my email: speculative@yahoo.com which I check throughout the day.

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Postby WRX-B » Tue Aug 05, 2003 9:56 pm

Welcome Snowcat!!!!
Yes Russ has wing-action, just no brain-action! :wink:

I will send you an email tomorrow, give you the straight skinny, without these non WRXers looking in. :P

Dont worry too much about all the technical stuff yet, like Ray sez- just have fun. You absolutely dont have to worry about being quick, you've got the right car and it'll do most of the work for you! I barely look at where i am going anymore. Ray also hit it right on (russ' head), going for rides before you run is key, especially for a new autoXer. It will answer all the dozens of questions in your head when you're at an event.

Again, welcome, looking forward to seeing you and your wagon on the 17th.

Rick B. WRX WRB (with Russ burrito shooting tail pipe!)

(for the record- Mr. Kaiser started the smacktalkin' via email, earlier this year, now- i just cant stop, tis way too fun :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Postby RayAR » Wed Aug 06, 2003 12:41 pm

Hey Ricky, I need to get a ride in your WRX. I got a ride in Shads WRX at the last event but it was on his very first run ever and his car is not setup as well as yours, Still all stock.
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Postby WRX-B » Wed Aug 06, 2003 1:35 pm

Sure thing Ray. You'll have to be blindfolded though, cant have you seeing my secret moves :roll: 8) .

Dont expect too much, my launches are okay, not like your sled of demonic clutch droppin' joy. I am still a little nauseous from that wicked launch at the first Hospital event :shock: .

This last event, Chad Marlow had me ride with him, Civic with a Acura motor that he swapped in himself!!! ( i am such a loser :( , cant wrench anything) Well, he can drive. He was heel-toe down shifting, and was really smooth. After the run I felt that he had just put down a killer time. I seriously thought it was as quick as the top runners, but it was about 3+ seconds off. Weird, i have no idea how it could have been that much different.

Ray- got Camber? yet? if so, how does it feel? Feeling lucky, punk? :wink: :wink: :D I sure hope i dont find any Falkens on my rims before the 17th. :oops:
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Postby JoeE » Wed Aug 06, 2003 3:09 pm

I sure hope i dont find any Falkens on my rims before the 17th.


Hmmmm, I know something but I won't tell 8)
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Postby RayAR » Wed Aug 06, 2003 5:52 pm

I will be adding some camber the Saturday before the race when I put on my other street tires. I will also lower it and trim the bump stops a bit more.

That launch at the Hospital was nothing like it would do when I was running the ceramic puck clutch. The new disk wasen't broke in yet and it slipped quite a bit at the hospital. At the Ice garden it was holding good and I didn't smell my clutch(did anyone else?). I honestly think I will get more then a year out of this clutch. The only thing I miss about the ceramic puck clutch is it didnt smell at all. I think you other AWD guys should launch your cars harder or maybe it just that I am not afraid to break mine. I feel that AWD gives close to a .5 second withen the 1st 60 feet over either FWD or RWD so I try to use that to the fullest.
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Postby rkaiser » Wed Aug 06, 2003 9:02 pm

Ricky - you better not be doing what I think you are doing! Geez, you better get a extra set of wheels! Man, I'm gonna have to get some fancy new tires now too for next year.
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Postby rkaiser » Wed Aug 06, 2003 9:04 pm

I've been getting some good 5000+ rpm launches. Feels cool when that turbo kicks in right away - Zoooom :D I'm pretty sure my Cossie has a upgraded clutch.
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Postby WRX-B » Wed Aug 06, 2003 9:56 pm

Yes Ray, me very afraid of toasting my tranny. Its no a tough unit. I am sure my clutch is pretty hammered and i know that i have glazed it a few times. (luckily, it has come back after a few days of babying it). Until this season of 'crossing, i was really using very bad technique launching, i was slipping the clutch way too much. Now, i have learned to hold the revs at 4k and slip the clutch just for a bit and then let it out really fast(without side stepping it) and simultaneously putting the go-pedal down hard. When i manage to do it right, it feels great and seems to get me going pretty good.

I saw Russsss' STi today, even sat in it. Its so nice, burly as he||. Hey Russ, that 'rev warning' feature, can you set it up like a shift light? ie- set it for a few hundred revs short of the actual rev limit to give you the warning right when you should be grabbing for the next gear? If so, super cool.

Tires? Me? Wheels? Wha? huh? Nitrous? Laptops on my passenger seat so i can program timing, ignition, boost, knock control, nitrous,and intercooler water spray(<-Russ has that on his car STOCK!!!) as i run the cones? Where? Who now? Tires? Shorter for better gearing? At the next event? What? Me? :roll: :P

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Postby RayAR » Wed Aug 06, 2003 10:15 pm

Rick, So you are getting some Falkens? Fine.... I guess I will just have to unveil my secret weapon and I am also going to Sears to order up some 155/90/13 Roadmasters. If you wanna play that tire game with me you will loose I tell ya loose!!!!!!!

Seriously Rick, Since I have decided to run street tires I have been browseing the SCCA forums STS/STX forum. The general opinion is that the MX's and Falkens are pretty even. It is almost starting to look like the BFG KD's might be the next hot tire for the street tired classes. Most of the serious autocrossers are running Falkens because of the contingency money that Kuhmo dosen't offer.
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Postby rcurrier44 » Thu Aug 07, 2003 11:19 am

RayAR wrote: I feel that AWD gives close to a .5 second withen the 1st 60 feet over either FWD or RWD so I try to use that to the fullest.


I've seen you launch hard Ray; and I sware your front tires arn't on the ground when you really come out of the hole. So the RWD guys should be able to keep up for the first 60' if they have the power to weight ratio that you have. :D

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Postby RayAR » Thu Aug 07, 2003 12:36 pm

Rob, I really need to get to the strip and find out what kind of 60' times I am running. I would also like to get some 1/4 mile times. Guys with cars that have similar modification are getting into the 11's and also running 1.7 second 60' times on street tires. Pretty hard to find a RWD car that can turn better then a 2.2 second 60' on street tires.

I would be absoulutly exstactic if I ran a mid 12 quarter mile at this altitude. Last Summer I was fooling around with a G-tech and a mild launch gave me a 5.3 0-60 MPH and 13.4 quarter mile at 102 MPH. I don't consider it to bad because the car started to stumble and sputter halfway thru second gear and all of 3rd(very rich A/F). That was the only time I used my G-tech
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Postby rkaiser » Thu Aug 07, 2003 8:12 pm

Maybe a trip to the Billings Motorsport Park is in order! I'd like to know what the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times are on the Cossie. Time for the Bozeman boys to head out there :D
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Postby RayAR » Fri Aug 08, 2003 12:25 pm

I have heard they have stuff going on every night. I wouldn't mind hitting a test and tune but really have a dislike for bracket racing.
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Postby snowcat » Fri Aug 08, 2003 3:27 pm

I wouldn't mind going either just to grab a timeslip on my stock wrx to see how my launch technique is. (Know it could use some work, just not sure how much work. :wink: )

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Postby fastneons » Fri Aug 08, 2003 5:07 pm

Maybe a trip to the Billings Motorsport Park is in order!


Sounds like a great idea. If you guys don't mind hanging out with a fwd loser. It'll also give me a chance to try out the new drag radials :twisted: :twisted:
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Postby RayAR » Fri Aug 08, 2003 5:11 pm

I think the only time I will be able to get to Billings is the 23rd of Augest. I could go tomorow but I allready decided I need to work on the "heep" this weekend.

I might be able to be talked into going to Billings tomorow :wink:
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Postby WRX-B » Fri Aug 08, 2003 9:23 pm

Grudge drag race season is here already!!??

This would be some serious fun. My tire choice would actually be some of the Sears Roadmasters mentioned in other threads. (need something that would break loose just a bit on the launch)

Lets go! I would love to get my butt kicked by you guys, going straight. :oops: :lol: :o (of course, i dont really want that evil neon kicking my rear at the strip AND the cones, thats too much :? :shock: :oops: , so just you other guys)

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Postby RayAR » Fri Aug 08, 2003 11:58 pm

I think they should turn the strip into a 1/4 mile long slalom just for us autocross guys. Just to make us feel more at home. :shock:
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Postby JoeE » Mon Aug 11, 2003 2:00 pm

RayAR wrote:I think they should turn the strip into a 1/4 mile long slalom just for us autocross guys. Just to make us feel more at home. :shock:

Now your talkin' :o
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Postby snowcat » Sat Aug 16, 2003 11:43 pm

Won't be able to make it tomorrow after all; give my regards to broadway. :/

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Postby WRX-B » Tue Aug 19, 2003 9:12 pm

Too bad you couldnt make it, Snowcat. We had a pretty good time. The course was interesting to say the least. Even had some rain thrown in for good measure, i didnt get to run when it was wet, kinda wished i had the chance to though. Did you drive by around 2pm or so? Silver w(rx)agon, with roof rack?

Hopefully, you can make the Sept 1st event in Billings, you just gotta experience at least one AutoX before the summer is out.

Ray- werent you wanting to get a ride along with me? I'd ride in your car more, but- you tend to have alot of riders already, and- i have a hard time folding myself into your sled.

Russel- i heard you let a Monkey drive your STi, is that true? :D
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Postby rkaiser » Tue Aug 19, 2003 10:12 pm

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It was a fun, high speed course. Too bad my best times were in the buck runs! The rain was fun but it could have ay least rained for run group 2 also :D
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Postby RayAR » Wed Aug 20, 2003 12:13 am

Rick,

I wanted a ride in your car but in all honesty the ride with Russ scared the heck out of me and I decided to only drive instead of ride. That was a scary course to ride on and I usually don't have a problem with that. I think I only had 3 riders this weekend. I almost got a ride with Jason in the Z06 but he ended up leaving when the rain started so that didn't happen. We had plans to get in line farther apart so we could ride in each others car during the afternoon runs. I wonder what kind of times his ZO6 would have turned when it finally warmed up in the afternoon.
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Postby WRX-B » Wed Aug 20, 2003 12:31 pm

Ray- Yer not allowed to be afraid after riding along with someone else. (i guess it was Kaiser tho :wink: ). You should ride along with yourself, thats scary as he||.

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Postby RayAR » Wed Aug 20, 2003 5:10 pm

Driving is easy compared to rideing. I don't think I would want to ride in my car, Steve Opp said my car felt like a carnival ride. I would probably end up screaming like a little girl. :o
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