Should we charge latecomers extra $?

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Should we charge latecomers extra $?

Postby RayAR » Sun Jul 06, 2003 9:40 pm

After haveing 2 or 3 latecomers come to me wondering how to signup I think it would be a good idea.

My answear today was that they had to talk to the event chair(Joe E.) but I feel if they aren't signed up by the drivers meeting then they should pay another $5. Of course there are exceptions like SCCA members from out of town probably shouldn't be charged extra. We are just doing this for fun and it is not hard to be at an event by 9:30 if you live in town.

Rant almost done.

Is there anyway we can assign each racer a certain job assignment? It seems like I allways see the same people working. If you don't show up for your Job assignment your times are thrown out. First come first serve on job assignment so latecomers will more then likely be left with cleanup after the event.

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Postby JoeE » Mon Jul 07, 2003 7:37 am

I was thinking about this kind of stuff yesterday too.

I really don't have a problem with people arriving later, but they still need to do their share of the work.

Here is what I have been thinking:
We set a "cut-off" time for registering, say 9:30. People can still register after this time, but they have to wait until we get the event rolling. That way we can get started instead of getting held up teching cars and registering people when we are ready to run.
One thing we could do instead of charging late arrivals extra is to have them work before they drive. So if they arrive while the 1st run group is running, they work the rest of that session, and then run.
Is there anyway we can assign each racer a certain job assignment?

Unfortunately I think it has come to that. I was really hoping we wouldn't have to be that regimented, but there was a time yesterday that we had no workers for the next run group.
So what we should probably do is assign people to worker spots, either at the driver's meeting or as they register. And if people don't work, they don't run. I hate to do that, but it is frustrating to have not enough workers, and Ray is right, its pretty much always the same group working. The thing is we have over twice the number of people we need to work in each run group, but many people disappear after they run, and then magically reappear when its their turn to run again. :)
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Postby rkaiser » Mon Jul 07, 2003 9:24 am

I usually get people showing up late asking if they can pay half the price. Maybe we should just have people sign up for a work position when they fill out the tech sheet and liability form. Have a couple people signed up for each position so they wont have to work as long. Might be a bit more appealing if they don't have to stay out there the whole time. We could use the extra 2 laps we have been doing as a bit of a reward system for those people that have actually worked. I have been liking the extra two laps - got my best times there :D

The late comers are always a bit hard to deal with. Maybe make them work first is a good idea.
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Postby webmaster » Mon Jul 07, 2003 5:37 pm

its pretty much always the same group working.


hmm... I noticed that too; same people who activley post here 8) plus a few who don't (they prolly read this tho).

So, cheers to you guys, the true Autocross enthusiasts!!

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Postby RayAR » Tue Jul 08, 2003 12:28 pm

Joe's idea sounds good about work assignments. I am not sure how we could implement it. Just ends up being one more sheet of paper that we need to have the racers sign up on and I just don't know how we would enforce it.

I like working the course, it gives me a chance to get a closer look at the lines people are taking. Just getting frustrated with seeing the same people working at every event. I usually work every run group I am not racing(Skipped one run group Sunday) and I really don't mind but there is no reason it needs to be that way. If everyone would work 1 run group we would still have more people then jobs.
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Postby fastneons » Wed Jul 09, 2003 4:36 pm

We could do what they do in helena. They know the amount of workers they need for each run group, then make a sign-up sheet for workers. Then they don't start running until every spot on the worker sheet is full.

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Postby JoeE » Tue Jul 22, 2003 9:29 am

Ok so here is what I am thinking for the next event:

We will decide on a cut-off time for "early" registration. Basically once the course is set and chalked we will stop registration and tech and call a driver's meeting. Anyone that shows up after the "cut-off time" will have to wait until the first car is off to register.

I need ideas on how we can streamline car tech. Do we just need more people teching? Would it help to have drivers be with their car until it is teched? We could be real Nazis and say if you're not by your car when the tech guy comes to tech it, it doesn't get teched.

I will make up a worker sign-up sheet. This sheet will have all the worker stations and blanks for peoples names and car # or car type, some way to indentify them. One of the worker stations, I'm thinking the starter since he/she pretty much runs the show, will be in charge of checking off peoples names on the sheet when they work their assigned position. Hopefully if people put their name down to work they will show up to work. Over time we will see who is working and who isn't.

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Postby RayAR » Tue Jul 22, 2003 12:12 pm

I know one way tech can be streamlined. Not sure how well it would work. Most of the regulars I tech I just do a quick look over. Not sure how it would work with SOLO II but with Club racing you can get your car teched at the begining of the year and it is good throughout the year. I don't see why we couldn't do that. I feel the majority of the regulars don't need to be teched at every event.

I don't think the drivers need to be with the car for tech. I will usually pop the hood and trunk myself if they aren't around so I guees if they had those open it would be great. If it is a car I have checked withen the year I will just do a once over to make sure there is nothing loose in the car. I closer at cars that I haven't seen at an event before.

the work signup sheet sounds good. Put me down for the south side of the center island by the tree on the first run group I am not racing. :D
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Postby rkaiser » Tue Jul 22, 2003 1:04 pm

Hey!

Teching does seem to take a bit of time. I didn't mind being put in the second run group so I could tech the late comers - pavement's warmer by then :D I think assigning worker spots is a good idea - at least for now. It might be a little naziesque - but no work, no drive. Get maybe two people to watch each location so they can switch off during the run group - August sun is a boiler!

I'm pretty happy teching and doing the timing. My sensitive skin just can't take the sun :D

I think with new comers it's good to have them there when the car is being teched.
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Postby Guest » Wed Jul 23, 2003 4:56 pm

Not sure how it would work with SOLO II but with Club racing you can get your car teched at the begining of the year and it is good throughout the year. I don't see why we couldn't do that. I feel the majority of the regulars don't need to be teched at every event.


I agree. Maybe we could add a line to the registration form. Maybe a check box for "No changes since last tech". And the driver checks it and signs. I believe the bigger regions have something like that. We'll have to discuss that one with the head cheese, Marty. :)

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Postby Guest » Thu Jul 24, 2003 8:31 am

what about stuff that breaks down between techs? pretty much have to tech each time...

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Postby JoeE » Fri Jul 25, 2003 4:39 pm

On second thought, although it would be nice not to have to tech the same cars over and over, I think we should keep doing it. Many of our race cars are also daily drivers, so even if they aren't modified between events there is wear and tear that the owner may not be aware of that could be caught during the tech. And any margin of safety we can add is worth doing.
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Postby Guest » Fri Jul 25, 2003 5:55 pm

maybe just leaving a nice crisp $20 on the dash for the poor fellows that do the teching would help :D

Certain car's like Ric's WRX should be teched every time so we can disconnect intercooler hoses and oil lines on the turbo :twisted: Need to check Ray's Stealth to make sure there isn't any NOS cans hiding in there!

Did your tires show up yet Ray? Eager to see how you will like those Azenies.

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Postby webmaster » Fri Jul 25, 2003 9:16 pm

Anonymous wrote:maybe just leaving a nice crisp $20 on the dash for the poor fellows that do the teching would help :D


Hahaha! I love the idea! :lol:
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Postby RayAR » Sat Aug 02, 2003 12:21 am

I thought the work assignment sheet worked out pretty well. I do have an idea that might work better. The names for the run groups could be called off of the work assignment sheet. Each position has 4 sign up spots just like it was the last time. The person in the first spot is in the second run group, the person in the second spot is in the first run group, 3rd spot is in the second run group, ETC. It could go down to even 6 or 8 sign up spots because I am sure we will need alternates or even mid run group relief for workers. Very simply if you don't sign up to work then your name won't be called for a run group until you do sign up. I am sure it won't stop all the slackers but at least they will know that we expect them to work.
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Postby JoeE » Sat Aug 02, 2003 7:29 am

That's not a bad idea Ray, i hadn't thought of that. What I was thinking is that people would have to check in at the timing table before heading out to their work station. That way we would actually know who has worked and who hasn't, since I don't know who everybody is. I was kind of hoping that the sign-up sheet would make people more aware of the fact that we need everyone to work, but I think we need to keep track of who worked.
Ray's idea would work good though. We would have to call off names for both run groups, but that shouldn't take too much longer. I think that might work well.
FYI we had 41 drivers last sunday. We should have had four people available to work each station in each run group, but we still had to look for people and many people worked entire run groups, and both sessions. :roll:
Anyway, I'm done ranting. :)
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Postby RayAR » Sun Aug 03, 2003 8:15 pm

Those where some long run groups . I thought they would never end. My neck is still recovering from being burnt.
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Postby JoeE » Mon Aug 04, 2003 8:02 am

Yea is a perfect world everyone would arrive by 9:30 so we would know how many people we would have so we could break up the groups accordingly. With 41 drivers we could have had 3 run groups.
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